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Who cares, if the #French team wins a #football match or not, if we have a french #freeSoftware stack like this!
This. Is. Awesome!
Multi-party A/V calls with #SFU were the most important missing feature of #Movim. Hope to see it #Dino by @dino and other clients, soon.
Greetings from #Argentina!
I agree, that communication is mainly a social problem. I'm using #Jabber/#XMPP since ≈ 2014 and almost all friends and family use it, too, because it's the best way to reach me. Even elderly people without much of computing background did not have any severe problems with #Conversations_im, #Monal, or #Dino. Only one person deinstalled it and went back to email.
But for "my" larger, less intimate groups, it does not work. Fortunately, they know how to reach me: Email or postcard!
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Online Chat is a social problem, not just a technical one
People often ask which messaging platform they should use. Matrix? XMPP? Signal? Something else? The honest answer is there is no perfect option. At the #OMN we've tried running #XMPP servers for years. From a #4opens prospective it's probably the strongest foundation. Socially, though, it's still trapped by the #geekproblem, despite years of outreach, we never found any implementation simple enough for normal communities to adopt at scale. #Matrix is in meany ways worst, but for different […] [SENSITIVE CONTENT]
People often ask which messaging platform they should use. Matrix? XMPP? Signal? Something else? The honest answer is there is no perfect option.
At the #OMN we’ve tried running #XMPP servers for years. From a #4opens prospective it’s probably the strongest foundation. Socially, though, it’s still trapped by the #geekproblem, despite years of outreach, we never found any implementation simple enough for normal communities to adopt at scale.
#Matrix is in meany ways worst, but for different resigns. Its governance and development have drifted towards an #opencore and #NGO model that doesn’t sit comfortably with grassroots #openweb values.
#Signal is the best of the bad options. It’s centralised and reproduces many of the patterns of the #dotcons. But people will actually install it and, sometimes, keep using it. That’s worth something.
The point is that these aren’t just technical choices, they’re social ones. Too much of the conversation gets trapped in feature comparisons, cryptography debates and protocol wars, while the real challenge is helping ordinary people communicate, organise and build trust together. That’s why #KISS matters.
Simple tools people actually use are often more valuable than technically perfect tools that remain confined to narrow inward looking communities.
The same lesson applies across the #Fediverse. We have seeded good technology, but we’re allowing the #fashionistas and chattering classes to dominate the conversation while practical grassroots organising gets pushed to the margins.
This is a recurring pattern, and one we need to compost. The future of the #openweb won’t be decided by having the cleverest protocol. It will be decided by whether we build communities around tools that ordinary people can understand, trust and participate in.
Technology matters, but social process matters more. That’s the path we’re trying to grow with #OMN and the #4opens.
https://hamishcampbell.com/the-is-a-hierarchy-of-good-evil-in-chat/
Ich möchte die Warnung von #SatyaNadella ergänzen: Die Geschäftsgeheimnisse sind nicht nur durch #AI bedroht, sondern duch alle möglichen #Cloud-Services. Vor allem bei notorische unsicheren Anbietern wie #MicroSlop. Am besten noch heute raus aus #MS451 und #MSTeams!
Stattdessen freie und föderierte Technik und eigener Kontrolle: #Nextcloud, #LibreOffice, klassische #Email-Server, #Jabber/#XMPP, #BigBlueButton usw.
Thanks, @daniel for #Quicksy and for maintaining it for such a long time! 🙏
I have various friends on Quicksy and will now work on migrating them one by one over to #Conversations_im. Maybe not all on the same server, b/c of #federation 😉
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Ich verstehe das nicht.
Trockene langweilige Vorträge am #diday
Warum stellt Ihr nicht ein paar #Laptops & #Smartphones auf?
Eine Station mit Suchmaschinen, vielleicht stellt @MetaGer sogar ein #diday Account dafür bereit.
Eine Station mit Browser, eine mit #LibreOffice, eine mit #digiKam, mehrere mit #Linux wie #Debian...
Auf den #Smartphone #jabber, #xmpp etc zum Testen
An den Stationen ein Plakat wie & warum mit weiterführenden Infos
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Nicht bei den Großen sein. Wenn du gut und nachvollziehbar begründet warum du da nicht sein willst, dann installieren sich Leute, denen du wichtig bist auch einen #xmpp client. Sie dürfen ja gerne parallel bei ihren anderen messengern bleiben, aber mit allen, die hinzukommen arbeitet der Netzwerkeffekt daran, dass "das hat ja niemand" immer weniger wahr wird.
@sven222@goto.hardwarepunk.de
Wenn man bessere Alternativen (kein Silo, offenes Protokoll etc.) wie meinen Favoriten #xmpp immer gleich als "nutzt ja keiner" abschreibt und die Leute ins nächste geschlossene Amisilo jagt ist das aber auch eine selbsterfüllende Prophezeiung. Wo sollen denn die Nutzer herkommen, wenn sie alle zu #Signal getrieben werden?
It's a matter of taste.
Delta has a somewhat centralized development model, i.e. all client (have to) use the same underlying framework. Writing an independent client from scratch is almost impossible, so I heard.
In contrast, #Jabber/#XMPP is a diverse #ecosystem, grown over more than 27 years, applied to various use cases (even #IoT), an #openStandard by #IETF and #XSF.
The former is easier and faster to develop for, but also has limitations. I personally prefer the latter.
Nice! Added it to my IM chart:
https://mov.im/blog/debacle%40movim.eu/76bf90a4-5f59-4962-92db-6cd859f42ec9
Too bad, that #prose by @prose is dormant right now. It has a similar UI, but is based on #openStandards, i.e. compatible with other clients. Maybe someone proficient in #Rust and #TypeScript could wake them up?
I'm not sure, if Thunderbird is a good #Jabber client at the moment. #XMPP evolved a lot in the last decade, and Thunderbird does not yet support e.g. message reactions, A/V calls etc. AFAIK.
Maybe better try #Dino by @dino on Linux, #Conversations_im by @daniel on Android, or #Monal by @Monal on iOS?
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Today is a bad day for #European #democracy, but a good day to migrate to free and federated #chat services.
Such as one, that is around since 1999, and even an IETF standard since 2004.